them. thank you, sergeant rose, for your service and the thousands of others on this veteran's day. for more information go to soldierstrong.org. have a great weekend, everybody. that's our story for tonight. tucker is up next. >> tucker: good evening and welcome to tucker carlson tonight. we have exclusive new footage from the mass shooting in las vegas last month. the tape was given to us by a lawyer who represents several shooting victims. none of this has been shown in public before. the footage has no audio. it was taken from a surveillance camera at a local business that monitored the parking lot near the concert site. you'll notice the tape has the date october 2nd burned into it. shooting, of course, occurred on october 1st. the discrepancy is the result of human error. we are confident this was shot that night, october 1st.

if first development on the tape comes at 10:06, ab one minute into the shooting spree according to the timeline we now have. we see concert goers running through the parking lot to safety in the foreground. at 10:14, much larger crowds of people come streaming through to escape the massacre going on. you can see a large amount of wind and debris. that's due to a helicopter hovering overhead. at 10:16, two men dragged what appears to be a fallen victim into the parking lot. they try to give medical assistance to the person but then realize there's no use and they sit with the body while other people continue to flee right past them. later at 10:24 p.m., one of the men places his shirt across the victim's face and then at 10:32, man puts what appears to be a blanket or towel over the body, having given up hope. police only arrive in this area for the first time around 10:45 p.m. the body is still there.

as of 11:50, when a pickup truck finally comes and takes it away, the body lays there. all this interesting and horrifying to see it. the question is that implication force the on going investigation. we don't know at this point. but here is what is interesting, undoubtedly. the business owner who possesses this tape tell us that no law enforcement officer or government investigator has ever seen the video or even asked to see it. in fact, his only interaction with investigators was one time when they marked where a bullet hit his garage door. it's amazing. remarkable, actually. you have the deadly shooting in modern american history. we still have no clear motive, no clear timeline of what happened and when. and there are, of course, countless unanswered questions. you think investigators would be gathering all the evidence they possibly could. instead, they seem to be overlooking some of it, including this. why is that actually? katherine lombardo is a law year

and joins us. tell us where this tape comes from. >> gentle man mike turner, who is not an investigator or reporter brought it to me. i have spoken with so many people who were at the concert that night. i represent, of course, my law firm represents many people. we filed the first lawsuit in los angeles county in los angeles because live nation entertainment is domiciled in beverly hills. people have been coming to me. i have met with so many people and spoken with so many of the victims who were there that night. people have been coming to me and bringing pictures and videos. so it wasn't surprising that this gentle man contacted me and brought me this video. i thought it was very telling. we do not know who the deceased is in the video. we would love for any witnesses or victims or people who were there to continue to come

forward to me to bring me the information that they have. these people have suffered. >> tucker: but you're a lawyer. you're a private attorney representing clients in a lawsuit here. shouldn't people be bringing that evidence, those data, to investigators to try and figure out what happened? >> let me explain that, okay? the investigators, although they are doing a fantastic job, i'm sure, they've gone radio silent. so we have no information from them. we expect it to take probably about six months for that investigation to be completed. in the meantime, just like in any civil lawsuit that i prosecute, any litigation, i have to conduct my own investigation to prove the case. in this case, not only do i have to prove and conduct my own investigation, but i have several clients who are suffering from such deep trauma. one of the things they want from me is answers. they want answers. >> tucker: well, sure. this is not a criticism of your behavior. you're doing what you're paid to

do. but i would think the people running the government investigation, state and federal authorities, would also want this information. as much of it as they could get. they haven't contacted you? >> they have not. i expect that after this airing they will have this video. i would love it if they did contact me. my phone line is open. i would love to hear from them. >> tucker: do you think that's odd? presumably you've around criminal investigations before. when there are so many outstanding questions, wouldn't the fbi, for example, want to lay its hand on every available piece of surveillance tape that showed the events of that night? >> after 26 years of being a lawyer in the criminal field, 25 of those being a former police commissioner, former judge pro tem, having been a prosecutor and defense attorney, i can tell you that in this particular case, this is unprecedented. the authorities are probably overwhelmed. i don't know the state of their investigation. i'm assuming they are

overwhelmed and their resources cannot catch up with the needs of this investigation. >> tucker: apparently. or something. from the tape we just saw, the police i think we said it began, the tape begins at 10:06, about a minute after the firing began. police don't appear in the frame until about 45 minutes later or after the hour. is that an unusually long period of time? >> yes. it's about two hours. the deceased was laying there. we believe it's a female. we would love to know who it is. if any witnesses have anything, please call us. she was laying there. what your video doesn't show is that she was laying there alone for probably 40 or 45 minutes with no one at all. people kept coming and looking and running, and coming and looking and walking away. that ford raptor twice came twice. it loaded up 10 to 15 people to

lead them to safety. then came back later with an officer in the bed with his gun drawn. that's when they finally decided they had the opportunity to load the victim up into the truck and take the victim to, i don't know where they took the victim. >> tucker: i don't know if you'll know the answer to this question, but i think it's one of the major questions here. to what extent is mgm turning over all the information it has to investigators? it seems from our view in the press, that they're managing the investigation. >> managing the story line is probably the best thing i have heard anybody say so far. that's perfectly put. we've heard nothing from them. none of my clients have received an apology from them. neither mandalay bay or mgm have come forward, contacted me. swerved them the day after we filed the lawsuit. we have not heard back. we have not heard one word from

them. i expect we will. the mgm corporate counsel did meet with us. i walked the venue site myself two weeks ago per a court order that my legal team secured. next week we will be going into the shooter's room on the 32nd floor. they are cooperating because the judge ordered them to. they are working within the parameters of court orders. >> tucker: the rest of us are interested to hear what we learned here. catherine, thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: a former nypd officer has been following this case since day one. i'm a lit bill surprised and -- look, i understand law enforcement is overwhelmed and there's a lot of stuff to sift through. but it seems strange that there would be a clear surveillance tape and no one in the fbi has asked to see it. >> what i find really

particularly strange, tucker, is not that they don't have it. it's that they weren't asked for it. the owners of the tape. law enforcement not having it, there could be a multitude of reasons. the shopowner could have been more comfortable handing it to someone they knew. i have seen that happen. what's not explainable, however, is one of the largest crime scenes in american history having a homicide, tucker, happen right in front of a camera. that's what happened. that person died and was killed. the fact that 50 plus others were killed doesn't make that death any less relevant. that happened on a camera. and yet for some unexplainable reason, that footage was not turned over. if that was an individual crime scene, tucker, that one person, that is the single most valuable piece of information you put on the air. a video of the person actually dying. can i just say one thing? i think there's three things going on here.

there's an overwhelmingly large crime scene. that's not an excuse. someone needs to ask for help. secondly, yes, it's true. just ask for help. they may have. i don't know what's going on to, be fair. you have a corporation concerned about lawsuits here. there's no question that i have to believe behind the scenes is not exactly being fully cooperative. you combine those two factors with the fact that you have one of the largest mass murders in american history and an enormous crime scene tough to grid out. you have a nasty witch's brew here going on. >> i think the fbi based on one of the callers is driving this investigation. the fbi is basically in charge. i just think it's very odd that here you had a lawyer for families of the victims soliciting pictures and video from the public that she's received a bunch of it.

again, it sounds like the investigator, the fbi don't have some of that material. i just think that is jaw dropping. >> i think what's playing into this, too, tucker. i'll give both sides. fbi's put up bill boards. if you have this, call us. someone may have missed that. i don't know. if this was a standard crime scene, tucker, here's how it would work. you would create your best evidence path way you have. you would grid out the scene. you would investigate every portion of that grid and take every piece of evidence. the problem they're having here, i think. again, it's not an excuse. you need to fix this. one of the largest mass murders in american history. there's no room for error. every eyeball is on you. the scene is so overwhelming, i just think too many thins are being missed. it's leading to, talking about this case, lot of people starting to ask a lot of questions and are starting to formulate their own theories about what happened. this has to be handled the right

way. >> tucker: it's going to have a lasting effect on people's trust in their government, in policing and in the administration of justice. there's a huge cost to this, i think. dan, thank you for that. >> yes. absolutely. you got it. >> tucker: thanks, dan. we'll follow the investigation as it unfolds. liberal america decided statues of robert e. lee, thomas jefferson, even george washington are no longer allowed in public spaces. so who does deserve a statue? washington, d.c. has a very surprising choice. we'll tell you whose statue is going up outside city hall soon. that's next. when it comes to heartburn

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>> tucker: the past few months america's become pretty strict about who was allowed to be honored with a statue. robert e. lee and jefferson davis statues have disappeared across the south. teddy roosevelt and christopher columbus are under siege in new york city. thomas jefferson under attack at the university of virginia, the school he founded. in some cases they're putting up statues instead of tearing them down. washington, d.c. is one of them. city council is planning to erect a marion berry statue. one who said asians have dirty shops. the same berry once caught smoking crack on camera. carl nixon is a radio show host. you think it's a great idea. i knew barry.

thought he was a charming guy. i like marion barry. worst mayor probably in the country. but also kind of like an open bigot. just say it. 2014, i'm quoting, we got to do something about these asians coming in. opening up businesses, those dirty shops. they ought to go. i wonder if you put up marion barry statue, what asian people driving by would think? >> if you recall, he was brought to task about that and he discussed it. he talks about the issue was in the black community, lot of black people didn't own -- >> tucker: he's still attacking a racial group. are we allowed to do that? you can't do that. when he got re-elected, i was living here when he did, in 1994. he said famously, white people get over it. divisive figure. why would you ever want to statue of him? >> i don't think he was a divisive figure on racial lines. he was, mayor at the time when there were a lot of divisive issues going on. let's not just bottle this guy

up based on a couple statements he made. he was the president of the students nonviolent coordinating committee. do you know what he did when he became the president of snic, do you know what he did? he had a masters degree in chemistry. he was working on his ph.d.. he quit that in order to work for snicc. >> tucker: he was a smart guy. you're right. 100,000 people left washington while he was mayor. while he was mayor, 41% of all african-american men were either in jail out on bail or wanted. total in the city. that's not a good outcome. that's not impressive. he did not make this city better. you know that. you lived here. >> let's not forget when he came in, the city was a mess. when he came in, the first three years that he came in, they had a $13 million surplus. when he came in, if you look at the numbers. you can look it up online. what happened in the '80s and the crack epidemic of the '80s

was not the fault of marion barry. >> tucker: he was a crack head himself. he got busted smoking crack on camera. he got busted again. >> he did. >> tucker: there are decent people who fall into drug addiction. he was a crack smoker at the height of the crack epidemic. that's the definition of bad leadership. >> all of the things that he did damaged him. he did a number of good things for the people. >> tucker: went to jail and got busted for having sex with a woman in the visiting room. >> as i said, the things he did were things that hurt him. additionally, he put together a program where all young children in washington, d.c. -- all school age people in washington, d.c. who wanted a summer job would have a summer job. when he came in, african-americans were getting none of the contracts from the city. he said they've got to get -- >> tucker: do you think 41% of all black men in the entire district of columbia were in jail, on parole or wanted by the

police in the city run by marion barry. you can't say it was racial animosity running the city. >> we can't say it was his fault. >> tucker: you can't say he advanced the cause of african-americans when 100,000 people, lot of them blacks. black middle class left the city and went to maryland. >> he said he was going to build black middle class. in fact, he did. one of the consequences -- >> tucker: no, he didn't. the federal government built the middle class. >> one of the consequences of what he did, there are a lot of black middle class people who lived in poor neighborhoods. when they moved up they left. >> tucker: that's not true. school weres terrible. no normal person with an option would ever keep his kids here. by basic measures the city got worse. it's just true. i think barry was a complicated guy. but for washington, he wassen good. nobody really thinks that. let me ask you this since we're now evaluating everybody by our current standards. barry was the on member of the

city council to come out against gay marriage. you're okay with that? >> let's not forget back then, when we talk about long ago, look what happened. barack obama, clintons signed -- >> tucker: no, no. wait. the rules are you evaluate based on your moral val uss. >> my point at the time he did it that wasn't all unusual. afterwards he said that if a bill came down and he was mayor, that he would sign it. >> tucker: by that standard then none of the historical figures whose statues are being pulled down should be held to modern standards. what do you mean it depends. this is insane. >> here's a guy who was with a nonviolent coordinating committee. sounds like you're getting at, you know, the robert e. lee sta chews. i don't think you can compare him with people who took up arms against the united states, unless we are going to give bowe

bergdahl a statue. >> tucker: you and i know the truth. the only thing it would be to put his statue up was to give the finger to people in the city. he hated them. he said so out loud. this guy was an open race baiter. i'm not sure why we're giving him a pass. i liked him. he had dinner at my house. i'm just being honest. he divided this city by race. you know that he did. that's his chief appeal. why would we want to keep doing that? >> i would argue he didn't. he came in at a time where the nation was divided by race. >> tucker: we've got to do something about these asians coming in, their dirty shops, they ought to go. is that bringing us together? >> my point is you cannot evaluate the man based on a single statement. that he walked back later. >> tucker: white people get over it. >> there's nothing wrong with saying that. >> tucker: nothing wrong with saying that?

really, come on, that's insane. you can't generalize on the basis of base. that's inherently divisive. not everyone who looks the same as the same opinion. >> you can't take a man who lived 80 years old, who was a principle figure in the civil rights movement and say well he made two statements so we got to drop all the rest of the stuff he did. >> tucker: he made a lot more than two. if they put the barry statue up, do you mind if i cover it with a sheet? >> i have got a problem. if you can get away with it, good luck. metro police might grab you. >> tucker: thank you for joining us. ceo is abandoning a company after two weeks. why could that be happening? why the sudden flight? we'll talk to an expert on the shadyside of washington business. coming up. (burke) at farmers, we've seen almost everything

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powers, including russia backed ukrainian figures without disclosing its status as a foreign agent which it certainly was. the book clinton cash, an expert on corruption and back room dealing. he joins us tonight. peter, are you surprised that the podesta group's revenues dropped dramatically after hillary lost. do you think there was a connection? >> yes, absolutely. a huge connection. lobbying is ultimately about access. lobbyists will tell you, tucker, you've heard it a million times, we're really hired for our expertise. that's not the case. it's about access. the revenue's drying up. but there's also major legal problems that the podesta group is facing. fritz made a reasonable decision to abandon ship. >> tucker: so if you were one of mueller's investigators, how would you be thinking about the podesta report?

what would you be looking at? >> you'd be looking at a couple things. the podesta group, really over the course of the last calendar year, has been amending their filings in washington, d.c. their lobbying records with the federal government. there's something called the foreign agents registration act fara set up in the 1930s basically to counter act nazi propaganda efforts in the united states. if you do work for a foreign political party, foreign government, you're required to disclose that and register it. the podesta group did not on numerous occasions. they have been amending those filings over the last year. too little too late. they're going to face challenges there, particularly because now we know this is what paul manafort is being charged with. you're going to have to charge podesta as well. those are the things you're looking for. >> tucker: but i don't understand. so you're required by federal

law to register on behalf of a foreign government. but podesta never bothered to do that. then years later the group they were working for stks banded, they register. can i do that with my taxes? >> it would be great if we could, wouldn't it, tucker? here's the issue. the foreign governments will try in the case of the ukraine, they'll funnel it through a third party. there was a european ukrainian foundation that the ukrainian government funded. then they paid. that doesn't change the fact that the government paid for it. so they are trying now to in a sense cover up the fact and say, no, it was foreign registration. we're now complying with the law. this is not a law that has been enforced all that much in the past. i think that's a huge mistake. in the case of manafort and podesta, we oug to enforce those laws. those laws require greater

disclosure. if you're lobbying for a foreign government, you're required to say who you met with specifically, on what date, exactly what you talked about. we deserve as citizens to know who they are. >> tucker: the most powerful lobbyists in washington are not registered under fara. you see these members of congresses about how russia hacked our election yet they're not even enforcing the laws on the books. why is that? >> that's a great point. that's one of the real problems if washington, d.c., tucker. you and i have talked about it for years. business as usual in washington often times spills over into, frankly, illegal activity. they don't want to police themselves. it's time for that to change. people like trump. people don't like trump. the fact of the matter is, the disruptive effect of trump coming into washington is, lot of these issues are being exposed and should be exposed and, hopefully, we're going to

start using the law to bite into some of thaoe people. >> tucker: that's exactly right. take this russia thing seriously. you say a foreign government is influencing policies in the united states? okay. let's take a closer look at which foreign governments are doing that. no one wants to do that i notice. peter, thank you very much. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: there's been an avalanche of sex scandal, from alabama to hollywood. we'll discuss the latest depressing developments on that next. when you have a cold stuff happens. shut down cold symptoms fast with maximum strength alka seltzer plus liquid gels.

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>> tucker: there's been a wave of sex scandals across the country. alabama senate candidate roy moore is denying everything, rejecting reports that he pursued inappropriate relationships with several teenage girls, including a 14-year-old back in the late 70s. mean child louis ck is admitting to everything. he acknowledges he entered into lewd behavior with women.

lisa bloom professional enabler, ambulance chaser, if there was one, tried to silence and discredit the vick toeufpls harvey weinstein. she's making a half hearted effort to apologize and make it go away. here's what she said. let me say i regret ever being involved in this. i'm mortified that i was connected with him in any way. and all the people who have reached out to me to say, lisa, we're hurt, we're disappointed in you. i get it. and i'm very very sorry. i will tell you that when the sexual assault allegations came out, it was absolutely devastating to read those stories of all those women who went on record with those stories for the first time. and i have represented women like that for 31 years. i still do. i know the courage that it takes. ist just shocked, i think like we all were. >> tucker: that's a lie. she was paid cash money to discredit those accusers.

the question is, is she going to return the money? how much was she paid? most disingenuous television appearance of the year. the l.a.p.d. has formed a special task force to investigate sex crimes in hollywood. couple different tracks. first tot the roy moore story. i read this story in "the washington post" a paper i never read. some of it sounds true to me. some of the women may dislike him politically. people on the record with no obvious political animosity. the problem is that i, and i think a lot of other people, so distrust the media that even when what they're reporting is correct, it's hard to know exactly. maybe that's one of the cost of the press just abandoning objectivity completely. nobody believes anything any more. >> yeah. that's their abandonment of their responsibility and their duty. it's happened over a couple

decades. you can argue back to walter cronkite and the misleading regarding the vietnam war. that's what we're hearing. that's what i'm seeing in social media. the voters there really think it is another establishment hit job. if there's any kind of question, they don't trust the media and so they dismiss it in that fashion as well. then, of course, "the washington post" has been exclusively political. they endorsed a democrat. they are very against the president and republicans. so they've been very politically active. they don't have i think the credibility of being just reporters and people who report the news. it's very much like a political blog. >> tucker: it's a shame. their story sounded credible to me. i don't have any other information. if you took "the washington post" off, you got women on the record. i take that seriously. i think that's horrible disqualifying behavior. the fact "the post" printed it just shows when you deval aou

your credibility there's a cost to that. >> also what we've seen over a period of time when it comes to what accusations are made. sometimes serious accusations made on an important issue used like a political kutgel. you see what's going on in hollywood. people see patterns when it comes to sexual predator. if this is true about judge moore, he would be a predator and we would see more accusationsthis is like potato chips. you don't do just one. you have patterns of a number of women over a period of years. similar actions. and everybody know, right? we don't see that at this point with judge moore. this is also why people are questioning it. it seems to be so out of character. we will learn more over the weekend. we all need to go home and bathe in purel when it comes to what the news of the day is.

>> tucker: i'm fascinated not just by the perpetrators of some of these apparent crimes, but by the people who knew and didn't say anything. in the case of louis ck, seems like a pretty troubled guy torb put it mildly. jon stewart was asked last year, he was doing an interview with david axelrod. he was asked pretty directly and laughed. i don't know anything about that. what? what are you talking about? sounds like everybody knew a lot about it. is jon stewart, is that credible that he didn't know this? why would he laugh about this? >> sometimes you can be conveniently ignorant or you pretend you don't know. maybe o.j. simpson is still looking for the real killers. over year and a half ago roseanne barr gave an interview where she was very specific about louis ck and said that guy's a problem. look at this guy. this is an issue. and nobody cared, tucker. now we do know, of course, that

everybody does know. these are individuals who make a lot of money for people. their agents and managers. people that work in productions involved with them. this is why when the district attorney in l.a. says they're starting up a task force you have to laugh. it's the hollywood industry that are their major donors. no one is objective when it comes to making decisions about what needs to happen here. maybe the federal government. not that we trust them a great deal. needs to act. certainly los angeles, the politicians in california are the last people we should look to for justice in that regard. >> tucker: there are a lot of people in television, politics and entertainment who are really creepy in their personal lives. just weird and unhappymaybe we can do a segment next week about why that is. have you noticed it? it's not a cross section of america. ault the weird people wound up in front of cameras. >> i grew up in it. i don't use the word victim a

lot. was a victim to some degree of this dynamic. there's a lot going on. i'd like to explore that with you. >> tammy, thanks. good to see you. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: college professor said mass shootings have a shared origin. the toxic masculinity of their perpetrators. what does that mean? and are you suffering from it? could you die from toxic masculinity? a segment you must see for medical reasons coming up. what started as a passion... ...has grown into an enterprise. that's why i switched to the spark cash card from capital one. now, i'm earning unlimited 2% cash back on every purchase i make. everything. what's in your wallet?

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but probably not that surprising. people are satisfied with the explanation that because he was deranged that's why he did it. george more row said a key cause of the attack is kelley's race. radio interview the professor said, quote, whiteness has a quote institutional apparatus that encourages white men to feel as though they are on the losing side of history. causes them to lash out by committing mass murder. strange claim. the really strange thing is how this same professor explains blame. keep in mind we've had him on the show an he's the one who just last year tweeted out he was hoping for white genocide for christmas. epowsing violence himself. we hope he come backes to explain. not everyone thinks race is what caused the shooting. some thing is gender. a professor at cuts town university in pennsylvania said the biggest thing to blame for the spate of mass shootings we've seen recently is something called toxic masculinity.

shortly after the sutherland springs, a tweet, toxic masculinity is killing everyone. repeat, toxic masculinity is killing everyone. repeat, toxic masculinity is killing everyone. we could go on. but there are only a certain number of characters allowed in a tweet. founding publisher of kathleen tpha magazine joins us. we asked the professor to come on. she sent a very long and nice e-mail saying she feared for her safety and couldn't come on. you were brave enough to do so. tell us, if you would, if you know the answer what, is toxic masculinity? how do you catch it? what's the cure? >> welsh according to the professor's article, toxic masculinity is the man's fear that he's losing his power. and because minorities and women are taking a higher position, they have more power that white men and men in general are afraid that they are going to lose their strength and their virility and, therefore, they are causing the mass shootings

and lashing out. >> tucker: well, so kind of both ways. what you have is a situation where the entire kind of fashionable culture in america at tax one group relentlessly. if they don't like it, that's a problem, too. then if there's a shooting committed by someone who looks that way, that's the result. i mean, this is kind of a nonsense theory, isn't it? maybe the guy committed mass shooting because he was crazy or he had some kind of other animosity. does it happen because it is generaleder? >> if you look at it, yes, men are more violent than women. the mass shootings we've had in the last 25 years 88 have been by men, 2 by women. we have a problem with men in this country. >> tucker: that is true, men commit the overwhelming number of murders. i thought men and women were the same. i'm losing track of things here. some may be on a collision course about to hit each other. men and women are the same. you can transition from one to the other by snapping your

finger. but they're totally different? which is true? >> women are better, unfortunately. we are not the murders of our society. we commit less than 20% of the crimes. actually men are not as good as women. we are better. we're safer. >> tucker: what about men who transition to women? if a man got the terrible case of toxic masculinity, on his death bed tying from toxic masculinity. >> right. >> tucker: and he says, bam, i'm a woman now, does it cure him? >> i would hope so. he would be the better skwrerpbd. i would hope so. >> tucker: does any of it strike you as nuts or are you tracking with this and nodding in agreement? >> i completely agree. doesn't matter what race they are. doesn't matter where they're from. men are committing most of the crimes. there is a problem with men. no one can quite figure it out. is it testosterone? do they feel less empowered? are the women taking over too much and they are afraid of this? is that the problem. >> tucker: is there an upside to toxic masculinity?

say a hostile power tries to invade the country and burn your house and kill the live stock and carry your women off over their shoulder. that's the.when you'd want to have some toxic masculinity around, right? two cadets from west point watching. i asked them at a commercial break, i hope you have toxic masculinity because the whole point is to go kill people in order to protect us. that's a good use of toxic masculinity, right? >> her article said not all men suffer from this. she did say that in her article, the professor said in her article. but the men that do have it are dangerous. these are the ones committing the crimes. it's wonderful we have guys protecting our country, these wonderful men and women who are protecting our country. but those who have this toxic masculinity are committing crimes. these mass murders won't stop. >> tucker: is there a swab or blood test that can tell me if my masculinity is getting to

dangerous levels? >> i think it's too late. >> tucker: so if there's toxic masculinity, that suggests the polar right toxic feminism. what would that look like? how prevalent is that? >> sugar, spice and everything nice. that's what it's like to be a girl. boys will be boys. that's what we're raising. we're raising boys who think they should be more powerful and stronger. maybe we're just not raising them right. >> tucker: is there such a thing as toxic femininity? >> no. >> tucker: you can be way too masculine but you can't be too feminine. >> women do not do wrong. >> tucker: that doesn't sound like feminism to me. that sounds like the 19th century understanding of women. >> no. just the facts. women are responsible. we're not killing. we're not committing crimes. we're just a smarter gender. >> tucker: let me ask you one last question. if men are this huge problem and they're like overbearing and just too masculine. >> some, yeah. >> tucker: then why does every

measure show that young women are outstripping young men in achievement? they graduate from college in much higher numbers. they make a little more for their first jobs. they kill themselves less. they die less often from drug od. why is that? if men are keeping women down, why are women doing so much better than men in this country? >> women are doing so well. that's what's causing the toxic masculinity. they're not happy about it. that's why the murders have gone up since 2011. >> tucker: has it occurred to you maybe to help instead of brow beating men and mocking them? >> we're not mocking. >> tucker: sure, of course you are. talking about this woman from cuts town university saying men are horrible. shouldn't women be helping men to be better? >> i think women are. the way they're being raised. maybe it's just too late by the time we get them. we need to raise them right. boys can't be boys. >> tucker: you confused me but

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>> tucker: tomorrow is veterans day. and tomorrow at 3:00 p.m. jennifer griffin will host the wounded warriors experience dedicateed to the thousands of men and women who shed blood for our nation. >> you find it and get disarmed or find you. and sometimes we keep rolling and sometimes we don't. we fast forward ten years later and there is not too much i can't accomplish. >> tucker: heavy duty. tune in tomorrow on fox

accident. we add our thanks. tune in every night at eight. have a great weekend. hannity is next. >> sean: welcome to hannity and this friday night this is a fox news alert. we are waiting president trump's arrival in the apex summit with the world leaders in vietnam. we'll bring it to you live. alabama candidate roy moore is denying the allegations of sexual misconduct that are levied at him. first, the allegations are coming from the washington post report that said the most serious claim is made by a woman who accused judge moore of sexual misconduct when he was 32 and she was 14